Primary fuel filter

Chris4RChris4R Junior Member
edited January 2018 in Fuel and Oil
Does anyone know how many Micron the oem fuel filter is on the Amarok?

Thinking about installing a secondary filter with visible water trap.

Has anyone fitted one while still within warranty? Still tossing up whether there's any point doing so as warranty should cover any damage to the fuel system, and it may void warranty with an aftermarket filter. Has anyone had any experience with this?

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  • brookes2622brookes2622 Supporting Member
    edited March 2017
    I'm pretty sure warranty will not cover a fuel related problem. Insurance sometimes does.

    If you fit an additional fuel filter then you would still be covered by warranty unless they, being VW, can show the problem you are seeking warranty for was caused by the new filter. Insert ****fight now :)

    You'll find a few threads on here about fuel filter installation.

    Lastly, I haven't seen too many fuel system related issues on the Amarok, but do a search here to assess the risk of putting on another filter versus warranty coverage.
  • Chris4RChris4R Junior Member
    edited March 2017
    I'm pretty sure warranty will not cover a fuel related problem. Insurance sometimes does.

    If you fit an additional fuel filter then you would still be covered by warranty unless they, being VW, can show the problem you are seeking warranty for was caused by the new filter. Insert ****fight now :)

    You'll find a few threads on here about fuel filter installation.

    Lastly, I haven't seen too many fuel system related issues on the Amarok, but do a search here to assess the risk of putting on another filter versus warranty coverage.

    Yeh I figured it's one reason for VW to get out of a warranty claim... and even so if rather avoid any issue and not have to prove it was the filter! I'd sooner remove the system and send it to them in standard form if it needed to go back for warranty on an engine or fuel fault but hopefully that won't be needed if a second filter can save that from happening!

    I've searched all the threads... seems to be a big lack if knowledge on the situation and I have seen a few cases of contimanted fuel causing big damage on roks, and allot of CRD vehicles for that matter. All CRD vehicles have been suffering from these issues since they came about. The rok isn't any different imo.

    I'm convinced on fitting a Ryco 4 Micron Post OE filter on mine any way. Would just love to get a confirmed answer on the minimum flow rate requirements and what micron the OE filter etc... night have to ring VW or Ryco direct I'm thinking
  • amarokworkhorseamarokworkhorse Senior Member
    edited March 2017
    Have a chat with [MENTION=1669]bt50li[/MENTION] or [MENTION=1121]steveieh[/MENTION] about them. Pretty sure they've got kits ready to go.


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  • nedsrestnedsrest Junior Member
    edited March 2017
    I've just installed this pre-filter. Doing a trip through the Kimberly mid year and heard plenty of horror stories about water in fuel in the middle of nowhere. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111994943094. Pretty easy to install still uses the factory filter but this will take out the water first.


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  • Chris4RChris4R Junior Member
    edited March 2017
    Finished fitting it up. Being a 4 Micron, I put it after the OE filter. As the OE filters I found are around 15 Micron, I wasn't happy with that filtration.

    So yeh water trap and post OE filter combined is fitted. Was a Ryco kit, then I just cut some 100 psi hose up to suit.

    Might check fuel pressure at HP tomorrow and make sure that's all good
  • steveiehsteveieh Posting Freak
    edited March 2017
    Why post filter?, would you not put it as a pre filter?, the factory filter costs $60 where as the fuel master or Repco ones cost half that!


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  • Sween_82Sween_82 Member
    edited March 2017
    Is there any truth behind the MY16 models coming from the factory with a water in fuel alarm? I recall reading it in A press release article.

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  • brookes2622brookes2622 Supporting Member
    edited March 2017
    Sween_82 wrote: »
    Is there any truth behind the MY16 models coming from the factory with a water in fuel alarm? I recall reading it in A press release article.

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    I haven't read about it anywhere. How would you tell, besides putting water in the fuel?
  • Chris4RChris4R Junior Member
    edited March 2017
    steveieh wrote: »
    Why post filter?, would you not put it as a pre filter?, the factory filter costs $60 where as the fuel master or Repco ones cost half that!


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    Like I said, I would rather have better filtration coming into the HP pump than what the factory filter can do. New filter is 4 Micron and the factory filter is allot higher than than that. Would be pointless running it as a pre filter with fuel that's been filtered to 4 Micron through a 15 odd micron filter don't you think? Males sense to run the higher number through the lower number otherwise you may as well not have a factory filter. Filters should still be changed at manufactures recommendation if not more frequently, regardless the cost.

    Being a mechanic I get cheap filters anyway but that's beside the point I think
  • Chris4RChris4R Junior Member
    edited March 2017
    I haven't read about it anywhere. How would you tell, besides putting water in the fuel?

    The factory filters do have a drain plug. So theoretically any water should be sitting at the bottom of that canister and will drain out first if you reguarly open the plug. That's just from what I can see..... I'm not sure how efficient it is and there's no viable bowl or water alarm on them
  • brookes2622brookes2622 Supporting Member
    edited March 2017
    Chris4R wrote: »
    Like I said, I would rather have better filtration coming into the HP pump than what the factory filter can do.

    What do you mean coming into the HP (High Pressure???) pump. I thought the fuel pump was in the fuel tank. I totally get the 4 micron after the 15 micron. Can you throw up some pictures of your implementation?
  • Chris4RChris4R Junior Member
    edited March 2017
    What do you mean coming into the HP (High Pressure???) pump. I thought the fuel pump was in the fuel tank. I totally get the 4 micron after the 15 micron. Can you throw up some pictures of your implementation?

    I'll get some pictures and upload them tomorrow. You've got a low pressure lift pump in the tank which gives you you're low pressure (50-80psi) supplied to the high pressure pump which is mounted on the motor and driven by the motor. That tanks pressures up to around 30000psi for injection. We just tee into the low pressure feed coming into that HP pump. I'll get some pics for you soon
  • brookes2622brookes2622 Supporting Member
    edited March 2017
    Chris4R wrote: »
    I'll get some pictures and upload them tomorrow. You've got a low pressure lift pump in the tank which gives you you're low pressure (50-80psi) supplied to the high pressure pump which is mounted on the motor and driven by the motor. That tanks pressures up to around 30000psi for injection. We just tee into the low pressure feed coming into that HP pump. I'll get some pics for you soon

    Thats awesome thanks.
  • >45Degrees>45Degrees Member
    edited April 2017
    Chris4R wrote: »
    ......... I'll get some pics for you soon......

    When you can...im interested.:D

    Cheers!
    >45
  • underpressure012underpressure012 Junior Member
    edited January 2018
    Chris4R wrote: »
    Yeh I figured it's one reason for VW to get out of a warranty claim... and even so if rather avoid any issue and not have to prove it was the filter! I'd sooner remove the system and send it to them in standard form if it needed to go back for warranty on an engine or fuel fault but hopefully that won't be needed if a second filter can save that from happening!

    I've searched all the threads... seems to be a big lack if knowledge on the situation and I have seen a few cases of contimanted fuel causing big damage on roks, and allot of CRD vehicles for that matter. All CRD vehicles have been suffering from these issues since they came about. The rok isn't any different imo.

    I'm convinced on fitting a Ryco 4 Micron Post OE filter on mine any way. Would just love to get a confirmed answer on the minimum flow rate requirements and what micron the OE filter etc... night have to ring VW or Ryco direct I'm thinking

    Don’t fit Ryco. They are rubbish. Look at a Donaldson or Fleetguard. We used to use Ryco cut in half as a display as to why you use a good quality filter.


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  • mrhocmrhoc Junior Member
    edited January 2018
    Chris4R wrote: »
    Does anyone know how many Micron the oem fuel filter is on the Amarok?

    Thinking about installing a secondary filter with visible water trap.

    Has anyone fitted one while still within warranty? Still tossing up whether there's any point doing so as warranty should cover any damage to the fuel system, and it may void warranty with an aftermarket filter. Has anyone had any experience with this?

    I had one fitted as soon as I bought mine because of the dirty fuel in central Oz. I had Bosch fit it and they checked it for warranty. The main prob is the high fuel pressure in the Amarok so they fitted a fuel manager 100 series finding space was also a prob. Hope this helps.538540f00052e1796bf3e03659ebe643.jpg


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  • WinchyWinchy Forum Addict

    About to pull the trigger and purchase a secondary fuel filter kit for the V6 from Diesel Care. It's a 2 micron filter with clear water trap. Apparently the flow rate is 300lph which I'm sure would not be a problem for the low pressure pump to push through. Obviously VW is non committal about fitting this other than saying if I do it, get a reputable brand. Anyone got one or can shed any light on whether I should or shouldn't fit one?

    Cheers

  • IainMIainM Junior Member

    I got a kit from Diesel Care for the V6 about 12 months ago, maybe a bit longer. I think this was one of their early very kits for the V6 and they may have changed since. While I have no complaints about the filtration side I found the supplied bracket didn't fit properly without some modification that involved some cutting and rebending. Can't recall exactly what I had to do but it wasn't a straight bolt in as I expected. The filter went in behind the left headlight and the fuel lines had to be run across behind the radiator which took a bit of sorting out to avoid rubbing on other parts.

    I eventually got a bracket from Net 4x4 for a catch can which also has mounting holes for the fuel filter. This goes in just beside the air filter. It is a much neater setup than the diesel care one I had. I used the filter supplied by Diesel care but with the net 4x4 bracket. Net 4x4 sell a fuel filter but I don't know how it compares with the Diesel care filter. If the Net 4x4 filter is 2 micron like the Diesel Care one I would go with Net 4x4 just for ease of fitment.


    Iain

  • doinitsidewaysdoinitsideways Junior Member

    Net 4x4 is a pre filter of 30 micron.

    From website...

    Tested extensively on our own vehicles, we believe our Mann+Hummel PreLine 150 Fuel Filter to be the best & most complete Amarok specific fuel filter kit available on the market. We only use & recomend a pre filter set up as the original filter is already the correct micron filtration level to match the vehicles fuel system & a pre filter at 30 micron is more efficient at filtering out water in diesel fuel.

  • WinchyWinchy Forum Addict

    Appreciate your honest opinion about the Diesel care filter mate. The net 4x4 one is a coarser pre filter.

    Cheers

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